{"id":174,"date":"2020-04-23T22:37:15","date_gmt":"2020-04-23T22:37:15","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/wordpress.library.illinois.edu\/scholarlycommons\/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=174"},"modified":"2022-08-08T19:39:12","modified_gmt":"2022-08-08T19:39:12","slug":"it-takes-harriett-green","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wordpress.library.illinois.edu\/scholarlycommons\/podcast\/it-takes-harriett-green\/","title":{"rendered":"It Takes Harriett Green"},"content":{"rendered":"\n  <div id=\"ui_lib_panel\" class=\"shortcode sh-w-full !sh-border !sh-border-gray-300 sh-drop-shadow-sm sh-mb-2\">\n    \n    <div class=\"shortcode sh-w-full sh-px-3 sh-py-1.5 sh-bg-neutral-200 !sh-text-black sh-flex sh-justify-between sh-items-center sh-relative\">\n      <div><span class=\"shortcode sh-text-base sh-font-semibold sh-no-underline\">Full Transcript<\/span><\/div>\n      <div>\n        <div class=\"sh-flex sh-flex-col\"> \n          <div><span class=\"shortcode sh-text-xs sh-transition sh-duration-500 sh-ease-in-out sh-bg-neutral-200 !sh-text-black !sh-no-underline ui-lib-coll-pan-id1_label\" > expand <\/span><\/div>\n          <div class=\"sh-flex sh-justify-center -sh-mt-1\"><i class=\"shortcode fa-solid fa-caret-down sh-text-xl sh-font-semibold sh-transition sh-duration-500 sh-ease-in-out sh-bg-neutral-200 !sh-text-black !sh-no-underline ui-lib-coll-pan-id1_arrow\" ><\/i> <\/div>\n        <\/div>\n      <\/div>\n      <button type=\"button\" id=\"ui-lib-coll-pan-id1\" class=\"shortcode sh-absolute sh-top-0 sh-left-0 sh-w-full sh-h-full sh-bg-transparent focus:sh-outline-none focus-visible:sh-ring focus-visible:sh-ring-orange-700\" data-toggle=\"ui_lib_collapse\" data-target=\".ui-lib-coll-pan-id1\" aria-controls=\"ui-lib-coll-pan-id1\" aria-expanded=\"false\" title=\"Full Transcript\"><\/button>\n    <\/div>\n  <div class=\"shortcode sh-text-black sh-block sh-h-auto sh-max-h-0 sh-overflow-hidden sh-transition-max-height sh-duration-500 sh-ease-in-out ui-lib-coll-pan-id1\"  inert>\n      <div class=\"shortcode sh-px-2 sh-py-2\">\n<div style=\"font-size: 1.1rem\">\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\">Have you ever thought about what really goes into supporting digital scholarship? Well, some may say it takes a village but here at the University of Illinois, it\u2019s bigger than that. It takes a campus. The Scholarly Commons will be interviewing experts across campus about all the new and exciting things that are happening to support digital scholarship. We will sit down with specialists to learn about what they do, how they do it, and why they got started working in their field. Hear what we mean when we say it takes a campus to do what we do.<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;padding-top:0;margin: 0 -15px\">\nOn this episode we have Harriett Green as our guest. Harriett was previously Head of the Scholarly Communications and Publishing Unit and Scholarly Communications and Publishing Librarian at the University of Illinois. She now serves as the Associate University Librarian for the Digital Scholarship and Technology Services Division at Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri. Harriett is interviewed by Billy Tringali. Billy is now the Law Librarian for Outreach at Emory University in Atlanta, Georgia. Harriett and Billy discuss a few of resources available at Illinois and offer great insight into the field. Enjoy.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> So, hello and welcome to the Scholarly Commons podcast. I&#8217;m Billy Tringali and I am here with Harriett Green. Harriett, thank you so much for being on the show.<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> Thank you for having me.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Of course, and you are the Head of Scholarly Communication and Publishing for the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign.<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> Yes, and Scholarly Communication and Publishing Librarian.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> That&#8217;s fantastic! What a title, that&#8217;s big.<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> Yes, there&#8217;s a lot of things in it.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yes, do you want to break it down?<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> Sure. So, as Head of Scholarly Communication and Publishing I&#8217;m the head of a unit. So, we have four full-time librarians, library professionals\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Wow<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026 plus grad assistants. And we cover different areas of well, scholarly communication\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026  and open access publishing. So, my particular expertise is in publishing, scholarly communication, especially for humanities and social sciences, and working with people as they try to use, working with researchers and students as they try to use different tools for sharing their research, doing their research work, and just engaging with their scholarship in different ways.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> That is fascinating.<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> Mhmm.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> That\u2019s very cool.<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> Thank you.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah. So, what is scholarly communication? What is the field of scholarly communication because you mention so many things there and they all fall under this umbrella. How would you describe it?<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> I envision it as really an ecosystem\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Oooh<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026of all the ways that people are talking about their research, sharing it, learning, and traditionally scholarly communication has been journals, print monographs, print journals, kind of just the printed page\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yes<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026across the disciplines really but we\u2019ve really seen in the last few decades, couple decades especially, really in the sciences and then kind of rippling out to the social sciences and the humanities, people using leveraging, technologies, the internet to share their research in different ways so whether that\u2019s blogs or podcasts such as this\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah!<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026online pre-prints of their articles, all sorts of ways that people are sharing research data, that\u2019s a huge part, as well.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> So, there\u2019s many different aspects of how people work with content, work with data, and share that data and communicate with each other about it.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> That\u2019s amazing, that\u2019s very cool. Hello, we\u2019re engaging in scholarly communication as we speak.<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> Yes, we are. So, it\u2019s a really rich field and there\u2019s many many different areas that all kind of connect into it whether it\u2019s copyright, open access\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Wow<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026there\u2019s many others, I mean I can go on\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Please do!<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> There\u2019s quite a bit of, you know, really thinking through and as librarians how do we\u2026we\u2019ve always been involved in scholarly communication.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> From, you know, from being the repository\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Right<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026of where all the things are held but now it\u2019s not just being a repository but we have lots and lots of opportunities to work with students, to work with faculty, to work with all sorts of researchers as they\u2019re seeking to use the research, so not just helping them find it but also working with them throughout their research life cycle.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> That\u2019s amazing. So, making sure that they\u2019re not just putting something out there that no one is ever going to see.<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> Right, right. There\u2019s many different ways &#8211; using our own expertise as information managers and architects of building systems that disseminate information, really opening their eyes to what they can do beyond just printing your paper. What are all the other things that you can do to get people to know about your work.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> What are the other things that you can do?<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> Sure. In our unit, actually, we support a host of platforms that allow people to at least leverage digital tools to make use of their research for both monographs and journals. So, for journals, we support Open Journal Systems\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Oooh<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026which is an open source platform. It\u2019s widely used around the world out of Simon Fraser University in British Colombia and the PKP project, the Public Knowledge Project, and that\u2019s actually a great organization that we\u2019re a member of, which builds these kinds of open communication platforms\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> That\u2019s amazing.<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026and so, we\u2019re using both their open journal system platform to help people who want to do open access journals\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026we\u2019re looking to pilot a couple journals and we already work with undergraduate research journals\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Wow<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026and those have been hosted in OJS for the past couple years and that\u2019s an initiative led by Merinda Hensley\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yes<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026in the Scholarly Commons and so that\u2019s one platform then for journals.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> And then for books or \u201cbooks\u201d in quotes, which can be a whole host of things, we support Omeka which allows people to do digital exhibitions.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Wow<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> So, if you want to showcase images, audio, video, in an exhibition type platform; Scalar, which allows people to do nonlinear books.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Wow<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> So, people can, again, interconnect all sorts of materials and their texts in different ways to really have a dynamic interactive publication; and then pressbooks which is looks like a pretty straightforward typeset PDF<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> But again, allows people to read a book online in a really clean format, like an E-book\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Wow<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026and then Commons in a Box and that\u2019s a new platform developed at the City University of New York, CUNY.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> And it\u2019s actually kind of like social network for academics. So, you can mount this platform at Commons in a Box and then research groups can have their own discussion forums, their own WordPress sites\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Wow<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> And so that\u2019s kind of another aspect of Scholarly Communication, not just publishing but also how do you work together how do you collaborate, and how are you sharing your data, how are you sharing your documentation and can you see the research happening live? And so Commons in a Box and the CUNY Academic Commons is a great things that we\u2019re going to try to start here at Illinois; allows research groups, student groups, faculty groups to engage in that way too.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> That\u2019s huge, that\u2019s amazing.<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> Yeah, so it\u2019s going to be exciting<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> And you mentioned all the way down to undergraduates\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> Yes, yes there\u2019s\u2026so we\u2019ve actually been, perhaps the most visible work has been undergraduates thus far\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Wow<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026with the research journals and then also in my earlier work, I\u2019ve worked with undergraduates as they\u2019ve built Omeka sites, as they\u2019ve built Scalar sites for class projects.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> That is incredible.<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> So, and that\u2019s something that\u2019s interesting as faculty members and teachers are really looking to kind of break open the way that students are doing work, these platforms offer a way for students to really do some cool work but also engage\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026in what they\u2019re researching and bring together say video clips of a movie and then doing, you know, a film analysis of that video clip.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> That\u2019s incredible.<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> You know, or doing, one group I worked with did video blogs and they put their video blogs on the site and then they did their whole, basically kind of their paper, it was about youth activism\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> That\u2019s so cool.<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026and they did a blog about it so there\u2019re all these things that students are really able to dive in.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> That\u2019s amazing.<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> So, that\u2019s just the tip of the iceberg\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Oh wow!<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026of things that are happening here at Illinois and then if you look across the country there are so many other things that people are doing, students and faculty are doing\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Wow<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026to do these kind of very dynamic interactive ways of showing their research.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> This is a huge field.<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> It is. There are areas that I probably have no time but like with copyright and with institutional repositories is the other aspect that we cover here.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> So that\u2019s in my department. It\u2019s called IDEALS.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Wow<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> And that allows people to post articles, post your poster, anything that you\u2019ve produced, and you want it to be preserved in a long-term fashion, you can host in our institutional repository.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Wow<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> And that\u2019s actually the other piece that we\u2019ve had for a long time, since almost ten years ago, ten years, I think now, of having an institutional repository where people can do open access publishing to a certain extent by putting your articles up there.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> That\u2019s incredible.<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> And now we have a mandate on campus\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Ooooh<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026to strongly encourage faculty to make their work open access, so we had IDEALS and only in the last couple years have we had a mandate to really encourage people to do it.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> But still very, very much a work in progress.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Wow<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> So, that\u2019s, those are kind of like the big elements of what we\u2019ve been doing or what we have. So we have elements that have existed and now were really trying to build more coherent program\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026here at the library that really builds upon the great work that, you know, my predecessors and other librarians have done.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> And I think when people think of libraries, I don\u2019t think they would often think of publishing or communication even.<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> No and I mean, there\u2019s still a debate out there\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Really?<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026should libraries be involved in this kind of work? But we\u2019re seeing and it\u2019s still very new I\u2019d say, it\u2019s only in the last ten years that you\u2019ve seen libraries doing publishing, building repositories, institutional repositories, and there\u2019s been some pioneers: Like Michigan, University of Michigan has been doing this for a while.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Wow<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> And I think University of Virginia has been doing quite a bit of work the last couple of decades, as well.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> But on the whole, it\u2019s all still very new. But we see that there\u2019s this gray area where you have University Presses which is where faculty are trying to publish their books\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Right<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> So, they can get tenure.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yes<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> And commercial publishers like Random House or Simon &amp; Schuster, which is also another way people sometimes share scholarship.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> But there\u2019s a big gap in getting your book with the University Press or getting your article in the super, super prestigious journal\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Right<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026that takes two years to come out and all this work that\u2019s going on constantly.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> And so, people at the very minimum, we\u2019ve seen both, you know, just here my own work and across the country, that faculty and students are looking for agile, quicker ways to share their work.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Right<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> And so, it\u2019s not just the super finished project that\u2019s a book or a, you know, nice journal but also maybe work in progress. Maybe putting a preprint up there so people can see oh, here\u2019s an early version of the article or getting the work out there with the audio or art images that you used.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> And getting it up there a lot faster than again, waiting for that book with the flat images on there\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Right<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> &#8230;three years down the road, so we see that there\u2019s this whole world of scholarship that needs, wants to be shared.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> In the digital age, we\u2019re in now, you know, we expect things. You know, things are tweeted every millisecond.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Exactly<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> People are blogging every day and when you compare that to, you know, the four years it takes to put out a book, especially in the humanities, it\u2019s taken two years to get from a journal to, you know, submitting your article to even seeing it in print, that\u2019s you know, there\u2019s a whole realm of things that should be happening in between that space.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Wow<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> And libraries have the agility. We have the infrastructure to really support digital publishing\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026and different ways of engaging in scholarship and faster ways.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yes, definitely.<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> And it\u2019s evolving but it\u2019s something we\u2019re seeing a need for and I think its continuing. And there\u2019s quite a bit of literature out there, as well.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Oooh<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> A recent report from the Association of Research Libraries just put out a report about libraries and publishing in presses that I encourage people to read.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> <a href=\"https:\/\/publications.arl.org\/Libraries-Presses-Publishing-SPEC-Kit-357\/\">It\u2019s a SPEC Kit number 357<\/a><\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Wow<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> And so that one\u2019s got a lot of good data, really recent data on what\u2019s happening, as well.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah, now, you\u2019ve mentioned open access, the speed of publishing, and libraries role in that\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> Mhmm<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> What would you say is currently the biggest issues in the field of scholarly communication?<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> Well, in thinking about this, I might say, you know, there was a hole with open access\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> The big thing was this very, activist, like, we\u2019re going to make all the information free\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026it\u2019s going to be out there, we have to liberate the information but now there\u2019s nuances to that and we\u2019re now realizing, you know, everything from concerns of different disciplines, you know, the way they work in terms of being able to expose patents or expose different types of data. How do we honor, you know, medical data\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Right<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026and HIPPA data that might be embedded in that.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> And there\u2019s ways around that, as well, but also thinking about, you know, indigenous cultures and you know, making information free\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Right<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026making open data free, well what are the cultural ramifications of that, as well?<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Right<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> If you\u2019re dealing, especially in anthropology, sociology, some of the social sciences that are dealing with cultures and ethnicities\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026where you have to be context of where this data\u2019s coming from.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> How are we sharing this scholarship? So, I think as we\u2019re grappling with that\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026and how to really both expose the broadest range of scholarship but also honor and really take into account the ethics of data, the ethics of cultures that we\u2019re working with as we do our scholarship.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Wow<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> And then, also, with impact. And as, I think, a struggle with this, as scholars, are engaging in new forms of scholarship. How do they show impact of their work?<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yes<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> And it\u2019s not, it can\u2019t just be oh, you know, five people tweeted about my work. But, how do you convey that to a tenure committee?<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Right<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> And so there\u2019s this tension of that we want to encourage scholars, encourage students to, you know, try new digital tools, try these new ways of publishing and sharing scholarship but at the same time how can we help them still advance in their own careers?<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Right<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> Or how can they\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Right<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026you know, still make, get tenure, still advance at the academy through these very traditional means.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Right<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> So, I think the ways of working of the academy and the way scholarship is happening, there\u2019s still a tension, there\u2019s still, and you know, that\u2019s something that we had to already confront, is, you know, as we try to, you know, bring people in to work with us.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Right<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> Helping to work to address all their needs because this is real need alongside, you know, the equal, equally valid\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Right<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026pressing need to making information free is but, you know, what are all the contexts\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Right<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026how do we make sure that everybody can participate in this ecosystem\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026and still be able to meet the needs they have?<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> If that makes sense.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> It does! I love that description: ecosystem.<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> Mhmm, I mean, it\u2019s more and more, it\u2019s not just one thing or another, but there\u2019s lots of players, there\u2019s lots of parts and there\u2019s no, and it really depends on the context you\u2019re working in.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> Us, at a Research University, is very different from, you know, the small liberal arts college, like Illinois College, down the road.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Right<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> There\u2019s too\u2026there\u2019s so many different factors that get involved.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> So within this ecosystem, I\u2019m sure that we\u2019ve talked about everything from undergraduates to graduates students to faculty to librarians, what should varieties of people know about this field? What should students know?<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> I think, it behooves students to be aware of where you\u2019re getting information. There\u2019s, you know, when you click on to download a journal article knowing, you know, what\u2019s behind that, you know, the library paid $20,000&#8230;<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Right<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026to get you that article to you or where\u2019s that book coming from? If it\u2019s coming from interlibrary loan realize there\u2019s a whole system of people and money that\u2019s behind that, getting that book to you and shipped to you and so I think both students and you know, even faculty, you know, being aware of where this information is coming from, it isn\u2019t free.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Right<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> There\u2019s a lot of different infrastructure behind that\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026in both appreciating it but also, advocating for ways to make it more free.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Right<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> So, when we talk about open access that requires on the part of the part of students and faculty being willing to make their scholarship open\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026so, that maybe librarians don\u2019t have to pay as much and maybe your best friend who doesn\u2019t go to a school that has as many resources as Illinois, they don\u2019t have to beg you to send it but they rather\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026which we\u2019re aware that happens, but rather everybody has equal access to the information.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Right<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> So, that\u2019s one thing I would say, is just students just being aware of where your research is coming from, where you\u2019re getting information. And then, you know, ways that they can participate\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Right<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> And then, you know, along those lines, like with educators especially faculty who publish\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Right<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026and researchers who publish, being aware of your author\u2019s rights. That\u2019s another issue.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Wow<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> That\u2019s a big issue in scholarly communication.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> Yeah, that might go as one of the bigger issues in the field, as well, but making people aware of their copyrights.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> And that, you know, all too many publishers when you sign the standard agreement you basically are like, \u201cOh here. Have my entire thing and you can do whatever you want with it,\u201d<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Right<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> You don\u2019t have to sign that.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Oooh<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> You can just tell them, they just need, and as Sara [Benson] has told you\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yes, Sara\u2019s been on the program.<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026copyright is a bundle of rights.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> It is.<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> And she says that in much more expert details so I\u2019ll let listeners listen to that episodes but its, you know, being discerning of how you give up your copyrights.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Right<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> You know, what your scholarship is being used for, where is it going?<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> And just, you know, that\u2019s a thing we\u2019re really trying to do in my department is really educate researchers on their rights, what they can claim, what they should retain\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Wow<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026and how to really, you know, retain their scholarship and their intellectual property.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Right<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> So, that\u2019s something that I think all, everybody, anybody who wants to engage in scholarship should know.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Definitely, know what you\u2019re signing up for\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> Right<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> \u2026 when you get into that huge journal.<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> Exactly, exactly. And then also, as you\u2019re creating stuff, you know, fair use. So, we have, especially, in education realm, you know, the ability to use pieces of music and art and literature.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026within our works as part of fair use.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Right<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> And, you know, there\u2019s many different bills through Congress, and the Mickey Mouse Act, that really are all about claiming copyright to the fullest extent.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> When there are ways that we can use and remix works. So, this is no way any kind of advice.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> No<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> But, you know, people should be aware of fair use basically and don\u2019t be afraid to employ it if you\u2019re, you know, doing work and creating work.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> Now, there are guidelines, there are parameters and there\u2019s a great checklist on our website: the <a href=\"https:\/\/guides.library.illinois.edu\/copyrightreferenceguide\/home\">copyright guide for the fair use<\/a> checklist. And that\u2019s a really good way of, you know, ascertaining, you know, are you within the bounds of fair use.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> So, there are guidelines, but, you know, don\u2019t be afraid to use is, as well.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> And so, I would say as students and creators and researchers.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> That\u2019s fantastic<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> And then with librarians and information professionals, I think you know, nowadays, I think, every information professional really should know more about copyright and scholarly communications issues.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Definitely<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> Because especially as were helping people, you know, whether, you\u2019re in a special library with a, you know, working in a law firm or something, or you\u2019re working the reference desk\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Right<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026people are coming to use more and more with these questions\u2026<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> \u2026of how, what can they use, how can they share their own work and there\u2019s basic levels of education that I think everybody really needs to know especially if you work in the information profession.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah, and that we would all benefit from.<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> Yeah, yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> And there\u2019s more and more materials out there, you know the Creative Commons has a new curriculum coming out that they just got IMLS [<span class=\"st\">The Institute of Museum and Library Services<\/span>] funding for. That\u2019s going to be a resource.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> And then my unit, a couple people were doing the Library Publishing Curriculum which is another IMLS project and we\u2019re participating in that, and that\u2019s another way for people to learn more about all the ins and outs, as well.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Wow<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> So, there\u2019s more and more materials out there that people can self-educate, as well as, learn.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> Yeah<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> So there\u2019s plenty of information.<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> Right<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Billy:<\/strong> There\u2019s always a place to learn.<\/div>\n<div style=\"background-color:#e7e7e7;padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\"><strong>Harriett:<\/strong> Right, always.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding:1rem .5rem;margin: 0 -15px\">It Takes a Campus is a podcast brought to you by the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign\u2019s Scholarly Commons, located in the Main Library. 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